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An Insted test press - hmmm. Can’t say I love ‘em, or really even like ‘em. It’s like someone took 7 seconds, made the vocals even less threatening, made the songs longer, and then put a picture of 3 kids skipping down the road on the cover - how does this even qualify as hardcore? It’s too Boy Scouts Of America.  I’m not saying you need to be in full on GG Allin mode, but I dunno, where the hell is the anger? It’s like Crucial Youth only they don’t know it’s a joke.  Choose For Yourself, Live and Let Live, Be Someone… I feel like I’m watching that Stuart Smalley sketch on Saturday Night Live. I will admit that We’ll Make The Difference is a pretty classic Straight Edge Anthem, but a whole album of this stuff is just too much.

Shout out to Gil who is the only non-straight edger ever in history to like Insted. To me this is insane. It’s like going to confession once a week but not being Catholic. Gil you’re one of a kind buddy.  This one’s for you.

Well if you’re a collector of early Revelation items you know this is one of the top 5 rarities - Gorilla Biscuits 7″ w/ Todd Youth B-Side label.  I’d assume there was an excess of A-Side labels,  and so the plant just ran them out with leftover War Zone B-Side labels on the vinyl.  I thought these were numbered somewhere but I can’t see it in any of the pictures. The dude selling this tries to make something of the fact that the lettering is purple. There’s really no way to verify what’s more rare though. These were probably the last copies from this pressing sold, and I’d imagine they were just slipped into whatever sleeves were around at the time.

I used to really love this record, now I’d probably turn it off after the first 2 songs. Most of it is kinda poppy which is a good gateway to hardcore for a lot of kids, but the first 2 songs have a pretty straight up NYHC sound like Token Entry or, actually the first War Zone lp. It’s cooler than Start Today (the GB lp) anyway, which at one time was probably my favorite record, and now only makes me cringe. That thing pretty much serves as the blueprint for over-polished octave laden pop-punk/HC hybrids, although I guess it’s directly descended from the first Dag Nasty lp.  I’d rather just hear Break Down The Walls… or Breakdown “both demos”… or Break On Through (To The Other Side), honestly. I’m still straight edge though which is more than I can say for some.

If you’re into this, frankly the Buy-It-Now price is probably worth it. These were breaking $300 US a couple years ago, and given the weak state of the dollar, the fact that it’s driving up the price of nearly all hardcore records, and that Gorilla Biscuits are one of the most popular straight edge bands ever, it’d be a sound investment.

Youth of Today - Can’t Close My Eyes 7″ with blank b-side label is one of those random anomalies no one is really sure about. I’ve heard a number like 40 or 50 thrown around as being the quantity existing but there’s no way to confirm that, and since I’ve seen 2 or 3 I feel like that might be low. Some copies have something written on the label, or a picture glued to it, some seem to be blank like this one. Seems like it happened during the 2nd pressing as they all come in sleeves with white lettering.

For a record so awesome, Can’t Close My Eyes sounds like absolute crap on the original 7″. Later on they “remixed” it, and rerecorded the guitar tracks so that it finally sounded listenable, but on this version the guitars sound like they were recorded through a cellphone inside a tin can. Absolutely the worst guitar sound I’ve ever heard on a hardcore record… except maybe that Full On Straight track on the Generation of Hope comp. Even sounding like total garbage though can’t stop a song like Expectations. Even you straight edge hating druggies can dig a song like this, it’s the ultimate teenage anger track, complaining about the overbearing expectations of parental units. In general YOT sound most like Antidote and DYS at this stage in their career. The vocals are the most throat-shredded and spastic, the riffs at their most thrashing and uncontrolled, the vibe in general is just youthful anger. This is also the only YOT record to have a kind of militant stance about straight edge, more in line with DYS/SS Decontrol/Negative FX, than the positive reputation they have today, and all the dull post Insted bands that cite them now.

I wish there was a straight edge band now with vocals this out of control and raging. Cappo is just letting it fly on here with absolutely no regard. No matter how many bad bands these guys have been in since the 90s (Shelter, Never Surrender, Last Of The Famous, other pop-punk bands I haven’t heard thankfully…) this will always be a sick release and my favorite Youth Of Today record. Bonus:  2 dudes from 76% Uncertain are on this one. Hi Bob.

Alright here’s a wacky Wednesday entry for you. I’m pretty amped on seeing the new Indiana Jones tonight, and I’ll be sure to post a complete list of spoilers here tomorrow. When I saw Star Wars: Episode I on opening night in 1999, I deemed it “pretty good”, so you can definitely trust my opinion. Also I applauded, as did the majority of the audience.

 Anyway, there’s a guy from Prema (ha!)selling his late 80’s/early 90’s recs on good ‘ol ebay. If you don’t know Prema is one of the funniest bands of all time associated with hardcore. When they were 13 they had some band that was like fast dumb hardcore… I forget the name but they obviously get compared to Crippled Youth all the time. I’m sure they didn’t sound like them. Then they became Hare Krishna (ah the early 90’s), and got more serious, playing melodic-Hardcore. When they produced their follow up lp it was something like 60 minutes long, 2xlp, and “grungy”. First of all: Fucked Up eat your heart out. Second of all, I think they were barely out of high school. I’ve been waiting for the day I can score a copy of this thing outta the dollar bin or someone’s trash pile.

So one thing you might want is a test pressing of the No Escape/Turning Point split. I’ve mentioned before how godawful the Turning Point stuff is on here, but let me just say it again - WORST! I think I’d rather listen to an hour of Jay Leno stand-up. The No Escape side is pretty tight, heavy early 90’s HC. Not too tough guy, not too introspective, just lays in the cut. Tim Singer is the vocalist… I like Boiling Point Fanzine better than No Escape but it’s still alright.

There’s a Chain Of Strength Confusion sleevealready pushing $300. One of about 10 variations of the less good Chain 7″. I think this is some of the rejected vinyl from the Foundation press with a different sleeve. It looks crappy that’s the main thing. Early 90’s color Xerox, but if you are a Chain completest you’ve gotta have this. Hope you didn’t spend that stimulus check.

 Another test press up: Ink and Dagger’s “Love Is Dead”. The number of times I heard this band compared to Swiz is obscene. It’s more just early 90’s “chaotic hc”, like Swing Kids lite, on a vampire gimmick. Can’t believe anyone would still want this, but from time to time I still hear this crap discussed. This is definitely the least bad entry in their catalog, I dug it for sure when I was 16/17 (”SOUNDS LIKE A CRAZY FUGAZI!”). WHOOPS! Later on these guys read an issue of, probably some British magazine they found at Tower Records, and started name-checking Square-Pusher and Aphex Twin, like electronic music had just landed from outer space and they were the first to discover it. How embarrassing.

Oh, a Child Abuse 7″ on Muthathat somehow slipped in here. That just seems weird to me because there’s no other records from a similar time period, although I guess it’s regionally from the same part of the USA.  To me it’s just funny to think this guy was, by all odds, hanging out at Flagman shows, probably in a sweater vest or some Stussy shirt, with a Child Abuse 7″ sitting in the same box of 7″s that probably had multiple Falling Forward and Metroshifter records in it. This would be the point where some overly sensitive type, whose “salad days” were in this time period, and went to 164 different Lifetime/Resurrection gigs at the Middlesex where everyone played drums poorly and there were no fast songs, or pants that fit anyone, is going to pipe up and complain that I don’t understand, AND I’m a dick, AND Outspoken is still good, AND if you weren’t there you can’t make a qualitative assessment of the music, AND they’re much older than me and that means I don’t know anything………. Same old complaints I’ve heard every time I bring these things up, but face it — all of those bands are no good. I blame grunge, alt-metal, and shoegaze. You will never convince me otherwise. With maybe 5 exceptions, there are no hardcore bands from the USA in ‘92-’94 I wanna listen to. Hey it’s fine… I sang in a band that had a 3″ CDR demo. That alone is goddamn laughable.

Ok full disclosure: I just can’t take anything seriously that has stuff like these stupid flame graphics that are in each auction. Why does ebay even still have this stuff? Am I making my homepage at geocities infocommons?

Alllllllright. So if you’re straight edge, you’ve probably had a Turning Point phase at some point, and you probably know this 7″ (the one linked here is 1st press w/ both inserts). All these people love the Turning Point lp, it’s this big time straight edge hardcore centerpiece. Not me. That thing SUCKS. The vocals are wimpy and whiny. The music is over produced. There’s weird proto-90’s-emo parts.  Clean guitars (a travesty on a sxe hc record), slap bass (I want to know WHO OK’d this), and worst of all, vague “poetic” lyrics, all permeate the half an hour of garbage known as “It’s Always Darkest Before The Dawn” (this is one of the stupidest album titles ever).  Everything about this record is the ruin of a straight edge hardcore band. As I’ve said before, all you need is:

• a good singer with a raw voice
• good mosh parts (+a good intro)
• at least one good tshirt design (or generally cool graphics — see record cover)

7″ era Turning Point has all of this ON LOCK. Unlike their stupid lp (to say nothing of that godawful split 7″), Skip’s voice is a throaty growl, like a deeper SSD or something. I guess it’s pretty similar to Confront or Brotherhood, very burly.  Everything is delivered with maximum intensity, authority, and plenty of youthful anger. There’s no warbling, no whining, nothing attempting to be “sensitive”. The music takes a similar approach. Right from the get-go, To Lose breaks out with a nice slow intro that commands people open up the dance floor. There’s no choice. A quick bass break leads to the main section of the song with lots of harsh barking, thick backups, and catchy riffs. To Lose is the archetypal straight edge song where-in the singer is lamenting the loss of a friend to drug abuse. “It hurts/to see you hurt yourself/but you’ve stopped listening and I can’t help”. What more can you ask for?

I gotta point out how GOOD I think this record sounds in the recording. The snare sound is exemplary. Very snappy, but very deep. It reminds me a lot of the snare on Danzig 1 which is the ultimate muscular drum sound. The bass drum also doesn’t suffer from the typical “overly clicky” problems you’d expect from a cheap recording by a young band, but instead it’s got a nice, full boomy sound. Seriously, at a time when Don Fury was botching every drum recording in the tri-state area, Turning Point struck gold. Those bass to snare drum hits that kick off some of the songs on here, like for instance, The Few and The Proud, are part of what make this record so heavy and memorable. It’s like someone chopping down a tree — a satisfying ‘CRACK’. The guitar sound is similarly thick as opposed to many other bands of the day who were stuck with thin bumble-bee sounds that engineers would try and cover up with chorus or echo. I haven’t got any idea what gear was used but it sounds as good as a Marshall amp. Another important thing about the guitar: frequent use of divebombs. There’s nothing cooler than a divebomb going into a crucial mosh part. There just isn’t, it’s not up for debate. The bass guitar is, I guess, unremarkable but that also means there’s nothing wrong with it, which is definitely good.

Yes this is the best Turning Point release, and it’s definitely my favorite of the late 80’s second tier sxe bands, along with Confront. If you’re playing straight edge hardcore, please, do what works, and stay true to the style. Sound like this record. There’s nothing innovative about adding crappy Fugazi parts to your music like Turning Point did later on. No musical ability or artistic vision please! Only hard riffs and good yelling.

Once again, sorry for getting so carried away yesterday, I know I said it would be a marathon post, but there’s obviously way too much to read, especially on a hardcore blog. Forgive me father. Today I will keep it simple with some short-hair music, and I promise no term papers.

 You pretty much can’t beat this for Straight Edge HC rarities outside of a Judge Chung King 12″: Youth Of Today “Break Down The Walls” on red vinyl. Everyone knows this is THE album for mid-80’s straight edge hc. Raging and fast enough even for the druggies out there. Most people also know the Wishingwell edition has a much better mix than subsequent Revelation versions of the record which have additional reverb added, and some kind of obnoxious Mutt-Lange style gated snare sound (check Phil Colins “Air Of Night” and listen for when the drums come in if you don’t know what I mean). The recording is still kind of unbalanced though. The toms are really loud in some places and sort of sound like really big boxes when they get hit, the snare kind of fades in and out in places, the guitars are too quiet in some songs, the whole thing just isn’t that clear sounding. I know they probably thought they had to go to a big studio to make a big lp, but they probably would have been better served cranking it out in a day or two at Don Fury’s 8-track Demo-Demo. It’s just kind of surprising that the premier straight edge band of the day couldn’t get a recording that sounded a little better.

On the whole YOT actually had really bad luck with recordings through their career. The first 7″ sounds like everything was recorded through one of those soup-can telephone toys you make when you’re little. The original mix of the lp that follows this one has drums that clip badly, thin guitars, and the remix of the same album has drums that are off-time. In the end, the Wishingwell version of “Break Down The Walls” is actually one of the better sounding things they ever released. It’s all sort of irrelevant because thousands of people the world over have been moved by these songs time and again, but still it’s odd to think about.

Red vinyl copies of this barely exist.  Look no further than this passage from the Revelation Discography txt file for the explanation:

“The 150 count on each of the records is what Porcell believes to have been made.  100 of each color were given to the band to sell, but before they had a chance, everything from their van was stolen while parked near CBGB’s before a show.  Assuming the thieves were not hardcore kids and were more interested in selling the band’s equipment than some silly records, it can be inferred that the majority of these 200 records were destroyed (a few were given away at the show before the rest were stolen however).  A few years later, Wishingwell sold their remaining copies to local Orange County record stores.  The difficulty of finding either color of this record can be attributed to their initial limited pressing as well as the alarming 66%+ destruction rate.  In another fairly distressing yet humorous twist to the plot, I was told that the owner of one of the stores that got a number of the remaining color vinyl copies, took a dozen or so red ones home and nailed, yes nailed, them to his back porch and watched them curl up in the California sun.”

With the American Dollar the way it is, I expect an all time high for this. I got ripped off on the sale of one once. A really bummer day. Anyone who wants to mail me a free copy to replace it, please get in touch for my address.

More auctions from a seller I posted last week, and there’s plenty to go around, so be sure to check his whole list. Here’s a couple quickies from that list…

How about this
Chain Of Strength - True Til Death on green vinyl (that’s first pressing dude). Superior in every way to the Chain auction I posted last week, this is also much better than that modernized sounding remix Rev circulates now. I love the way the vocals are buried in the mix giving the music a more powerful feel, and the songs are much more aggressive and angry than the E.P. they did after this. The simplicity in the riffs really brings the anger to the forefront too, the main riffs in the first 2 songs only use 2 notes each. One more thing that some might say is out of the ordinary for the time, is how little focus there is on mosh parts, a couple songs don’t have them at all, and the ones that do can’t be called mosh-heavy by any stretch.

If you want mosh-heavy though, there’s always this
Release - The Pain Inside 7″, which to me sounds something like a combo of the Turning Point 7″ and the Raw Deal demo, but without guitar amps. What I mean is that the guitars have the thin, fuzzy sound that you can easily get by plugging your instrument directly into the mixing board/recording device, instead of plugging into an amplifier, and having a microphone record the sounds that come from that. Questionable production choices aside though, this record is one of the few to have the distinction of the letter A on the cover being replaced by the head of a man in a hooded sweatshirt. Some people would call him a Phantom-Edgeman. What I wanna know is why does that Phantom-Edgeman have red eyes? Was it a bad photograph, or is he some kind of vampire? Similarly the last E in the band name is replaced by a weird dude with a flat-top and big teeth. Bizarre.

Well…. like an idiot i just lost the stuff I’d just written today about Floorpunch. I found all these editions of their 7″ for sale by one seller:

• Red vinyl #’d 200
• Blue vinyl (of 800)
• Black vinyl - 1st press
• Black vinyl w/ Green lettering on sleeve - 3rd press
• Euro tour edition w/ Judge sleeve
• White vinyl farewell edition

as well as a copy of their lp on white vinyl, and the In My Blood Records shirt.

This sucks total De Ja Vu from an hour ago. Anyway all I really wanted to say is that FP’s legacy has held up remarkably well over the last 10 years. The recordings still sounds pretty hot, the songs still deliver the power-load, the shirts still look good, the records still have cool layouts, it’s all still there, not really dulled at all by time. I was pretty disappointed I didn’t make it to their reunion show last fall, especially since I only really saw them twice when they were around. One more thing I gotta give credit for was how they were able to be a serious band, while still keeping a good sense of humor in interviews and on stage. If anything, the 90’s were plagued with overly serious, self important bands in every sub-genre around, and it’s safe to say, looking back a lot of it was presumptuous and I’d go so far to say some of it was downright insulting. Floorpunch was never caught in that trap. I mean their name defined, if it were in a dictionary, essentially means “To mosh.” Right there that tells you a thing or two, but even though the lyrics and music were simple, it still meant something. The anger was still there at the heart of it, and, even if some people don’t want to admit it, the rebellion against the outside world (and the larger “scene” for that matter). Also they always picked great cover songs.

So that’s not everything I was going to say, but that’s the gist of it. BUST!

Here’s a decent spread of NYHC style items. A lot of bootlegs but they’re all easily identifiable, and there’s a few that are actually pretty cool and nicely done.

Most interesting thing is this Krakdown 7″ with what seems to be an original insert, which is very rare. The story goes that they showed up to Kinkos to make lyric sheets but didn’t have enough money, and got sick of folding them or some such thing, so only a couple hundred were actually made. You almost never see a copy of this E.P. with an insert. Popular opinion, seems to be that their ‘87 demo smokes this recording, and though it is awesome, I think this record stands on its own for sure (even if the recording’s a little on the thin side). A jam like disappointed can’t just be written off quite that easily. If you don’t know Krakdown, well, you’re not necessarily to blame. They’re one of those NYHC bands stuck in reissue purgatory. I think their only available track is on the NYHC: The Way It Is comp, but they have a couple of demo recordings, this 7″, an unreleased split lp, and a wealth of great live sets. A real shame. They’ve always sort of been the NYHC equivalent to Void for me. They were looser and more punky than your average NYHC band with a wild and unhinged guitarist often that would break into squalls of feedback and stuttering atonal solos. Truly a cult classic.

I guess, continuing with the reissue purgatory is this Supertouch 7″ (titled: “What Did We Learn”). Supertouch is weird weird weird band, and until a few years ago they were in danger of being forgotten. I used to get made fun of for loving them in high school, I guess it finally came around though because Revelation recently repressed their album out of new interest in the band. This is their 7″ from before that though, and along with a couple of promo/demo recordings, a comp track on Revelation, and an infamous WNYU live set, it forms really the core of what the band was all about to people (besides stage diving that is). I still really can’t describe Supertouch right. Even on their earliest rehearsal recordings they mixed heavy grooving rock influenced guitar riffs, DC emo-core type melody, and NYHC attitude, delivering a really unlikely mix of all 3.

And then there’s this. Youth Of Today - Disengage on clear vinyl. I couldn’t help but see it and get annoyed. How similar it is to the Supertouch 7″, but how different as well. Disengage is a classic example of the washed-up Straight Edge record. The recording is clean and melodic. It’s a hard core 7″ but only has 3 songs. The cover doesn’t have the band name on it anywhere. The singer won’t scream anymore. While this isn’t far off the record named a few lines above here, the difference is that Youth of Today started off sounding like a bunch of Tasmanian Devils beating trashcans and stringed instruments (seriously listen to the original mix of their first E.P.), and thus it’s way more offensive to me. You’d think by now bands would have learned their lesson trying to transform their youthful hardcore band into some kind of half baked, reconfigured rock outfit, but it keeps happening. I feel like for 25 years it has been an endless cycle of youthful angry boys that make one or two good E.P.s, with a good intro or three, a couple catchy fast riffs, and then they start growing their hair, listening to Joy Division or Ride - or worse just another band of ex-HC guys like Quicksand or Into Another - and then it’s right on to the fanzine interviews where they talk about expanding their sound, how their old music is boring, all that shit. If only there was a way to tell these people that they are living out the same embarrassing cliche ending that so many bands before them have, on par with a high school football player choosing a white hat, or a Canadian citizen loving hockey.

By all means if you start a band feel free to grow, evolve, change, try new things, EXCEPT, if you start a straight edge hardcore band. If this is the path you choose please, all I ask is some good mosh parts, a singer with a powerful and unleashed yell, and at least one good t-shirt design (free of scratchy lettering, too many colors, and anything that has been on a hardcore band’s shirt in the last 6 years). This is all it takes folks. You don’t need to grow, you don’t need to get introspective, you don’t need to plagiarize that Sonic Youth lp you just bought. People have been playing rock music for a major chunk of the last century, so when you get over hardcore, please spare everyone the come-lately rocker vibe, and just quietly put down your guitar and shut up. Thank you in advance, and to all my formerly Straight Edge friends - I still love you.

What a strange collection of items this seller has. Mint in package water pistols, creepy 3 for a dollar bendy monsters from the 70s, and some OG demo tape type items. ***THIS JUST IN***: seller is Blaine from The Accused, which explains a bit.

Of interest:

An original Brotherhood demo tape. I believe this is the second Brotherhood demo (the one featuring Ron Guardipee on vocals) and the one that was recycled into the band’s 7″, some of their comp tracks, and eventually the Words Run Thick As Blood anthology on Crucial Response. I heard tell of a little beef between the Brotherhood and Crucial Response camps over owed money, that supposedly ended in a shake-down during a Sunn tour sometime in the last few years. I kinda picture it going down like that part in The Princess Bride when Andre The Giant’s character is standing in front of the castle wearing that same hooded robe that Sunn wears, and shouting ominous things. If it wasn’t that way, I don’t even want to know how it was. Personally if I was one of those Sunn dudes, I’d be wearing that thing everywhere. Down to the convenience mart, to the dentist, wherever.
Yes, if you haven’t caught on, Brotherhood is technically pre-Sunn, pre-Burning Witch, pre-Goat Snake, and who could forget, pre-Engine Kid. Also (and much cooler), post-False Liberty. But truthfully the most interesting aspect of Brotherhood to me is the song The Deal. This is a perfect and, somewhat strange (for its day) hardcore song. It begins with a fairly speedy blasting section, like a revved up SS Decontrol, only to cut to a surprisingly slow moshy section about ten seconds later, before diving right back into the speed. In some ways it predicts the territory that would be increasingly mined by the likes of Infest, and their numerous followers, in subsequent years. I’m not suggesting Infest borrowed a formula here, but just that this is an interesting precursor to one of their trademarks. If anything Brotherhood were probably trying to borrow more than a little from DYS, as well as SS Decontrol on this song. Well at any rate I love it very much.

Also of interest: Northwest Hardcore and More. But what is the “more” you ask? it’s hard to say for sure because this seller’s listings are so sub-par, but The Melvins, Wermacht, the Accused, False Liberty, Spastic Blur, and of course MR. BUNGLE are all in there. Seriously if this guy gets $10 for such a crap listing I’ll be surprised. Seems cool for all you tape buyers out there.

Even though it’s not Monday I can’t not mention that he’s selling a Cannibal Corpse demo as well, although I have no way of verifying if it’s original. There’s a mediocre lot of Accused recordstoo. No Return Of Martha Splatterhead in there unfortunately.